In this episode, John and Lisa raise awareness of issues surrounding elder abuse in fraud, and neglect, and all those terrible, negative, awful things that we wish we didn’t have to talk about.

Episode Transcript
Lisa
Welcome, welcome everyone to another edition of Aging Insight. I’m Lisa Shoalmire. I’m here live in the studio with John Ross, and of course we’re also live on Facebook. So we got a couple of viewers out there already on Facebook. Well, shout out to you guys. Appreciate it. All you have to do, if you want to see radio being made, all you have to do is jump on Facebook and go to the Ross and Shoalmire Facebook page and you will see the box different times and watch it live.
John
Yeah, that’s our live link up and while you’re there, be sure and give our page a like and then if you like the page and every time we get on air and get on live, because we do the radio show but we also… well, occasionally do some live presentations of some of our programs that we do out in the community, lots of good information that we have out there. If you just can’t get enough with us on the radio every Saturday, there are lots of other opportunities out there. In fact, we also have the Aging Insight TV show, which if you’re--
Lisa
You’re a local cable subscriber--
John
… local cable subscriber.
Lisa
You can catch that on channel 10 KLFI. If you’re not a local cable subscriber or maybe you have one of those little nifties, satellite dishes, or maybe you’ve cut the cord.
John
That’s right.
Lisa
… and maybe you’re doing Apple TV or any of that stuff. I don’t even understand all that stuff John that Hulu and I don’t know. But anyway, you can catch us at aginginsight.com and we’ve got a bunch of our television shows and radio programs that there’s a topic that we’ve covered, you can scroll through and click on it and watch the television show or listen to the radio program.
John
That’s right, lots of opportunities out there to get some information. Of course, we’re able to bring you all of this information, one by dragging ourselves up here on a Saturday just for you.
Lisa
That’s right. Yeah, we talk about our weekend doesn’t really start till one o’clock on Saturday.
John
No, it really doesn’t.
Lisa
Because we’re working onto it.
John
At a minimum.
Lisa
That’s true. But the other thing is we’ve got sponsors that make sure that we’ve got some airtime to be with you all. I wanted to give a special thank you to Edgewood Manor, The Barnett Agency, Dierksen Memorial Hospice, Cowhorn Creek Estates, St. Michael’s Hospital, Red River Federal Credit Union, Twin City Rehab, and Inspirations of New Boston.
John
Yeah, thanks to all of them and thanks to all of you out who were listening. Yeah, we just couldn’t quite do it without all the sponsors making it happen.
Lisa
In this week, they always like to… I don’t know maybe to reach then maybe they’re not but we’re always out and about in different communities every week. So this week, I think it was Thursday, see I was in Kilgore, gave presentations to the Lions, the new Lions Club at Kilgore, nice group, about 40, 50 folks. I just love the Lions.
John
One of these days, we’re going to have to get you to do your Lions Club presentation program here on the radio.
Lisa
Yeah, that’ll be good.
John
Maybe one day when I’m not here.
Lisa
Sure. Yeah, I can do that for you.
John
That way you can occupy the mic.
Lisa
So, I thought that… and of course, that morning I have been in Mount Pleasant. At noon, I was in Kilgore. In the afternoon, I was in London, Texas. That day, you were in El Dorado, Arkansas and Magnolia, Arkansas.
John
Talking about the five biggest mistakes that people make in the elder law context to the El Dorado Church Christ. There’s senior group out there.
Lisa
And let me tell you, did they feed you well?
John
They did. You can count on a church people like that to have some casseroles and some pie.
Lisa
Right.
John
I had both and--
Lisa
A plenty.
John
..and several of the latter.
Lisa
And several of slices of pie, yes. That’s the way to John’s heart. Any of the group that might invite him to come speak… there you go. Let’s see. One of our other attorneys was out in Greenville, Texas that day. This was all one day, just one day. We were everywhere from El Dorado, Arkansas to Greenville, Texas and a lot of places in between.
John
Yeah, that’s how we roll. Of course, there’s just a lot of folks out there that need this kind of information and that’s why we do it.
Lisa
Yeah. If you’re listening on the radio, then I guarantee there will be a time where we will be visiting in your community. If you have a chance, we’d love to see you. We also love it when people come up and say, “Heard you on the radio,” or “I heard that story on the radio and it was really, really good story.” That kind of thing, love it.
John
Yeah, well, the other thing that was going on this week was the senior events thing that they did.
Lisa
Yeah, the Senior Day In The Park.
John
Yeah, Senior Day In The Park.
Lisa
The Dierksen Hospice puts that on--
John
Yeah, one of the sponsors.
Lisa
… along with a lot of other folks.
John
Yeah, and of course, the big thing issue was that this was happening in the same time that they’re also doing the Elder Abuse Awareness Month. That’s a big program that’s put on by Adault Protective Services.
Lisa
Right, our area, John, I will have to say our area has not really focused much on the elder abuse aspect. Sadly, we know we live in a world that is so imperfect and we have children that are the victims of abuse and neglect and folks are pretty aware of that circumstance. We got you on the CPS and CASA and all the organizations that are there foster children and to support the fight against child abuse. There’s the biker group, bikers child…
John
Yeah, Bikers Against Child Abuse, BACA…
Lisa
Yeah, so the elder side of the spectrum unfortunately, horribly, there are also abuse issues for our seniors.
John
Yeah, and you know, there’s no bikers against elder abuse that I’m aware of.
Lisa
I think we should start one.
John
We would have to get bikes.
Lisa
That would be the start. So, real quickly though, comment from our Facebook Live because we can see your comments while we’re on the radio.
John
Yeah.
Lisa
Someone saying it was good to--
John
Good to see you last night at the Opportunities Inc Big Bass Classic Fundraiser.
Lisa
Yeah. We were out last night enjoying some barbeque out at the Fairgrounds, Four States Fairgrounds supporting Opportunities. They have senior day center, John.
John
They do have a senior day center. It’s fantastic program out there.
Lisa
Anyway, we try to get out there and support the different organizations that are supporting our seniors in the community, so--
John
Absolutely.
Lisa
There was free barbeque.
John
There was free barbeque or depends on how you define free.
Lisa
Well, that’s true.
John
Because they also had a live auction and--
Lisa
You “won” something at the auction.
John
I… yes, “won something.”
Lisa
I love that. I won something at the auction and I think winning is you wrote that largest check for the item.
John
Yes, but I still won, so that’s all that matters.
Lisa
That’s right. You went home with something.
John
That’s right, several something as a matter of fact--
Lisa
We kind of went into this… they had the Senior Day at The Park at Spring Lake Park and this year we’ve Bowie County and Gregg County and several of our East Texas counties have really stepped up their awareness campaigns and their efforts in the area of elder abuse.
John
Yeah, absolutely.
Lisa
With that, John, we actually have an active elder abuse board that’s now active in our Bowie County in East Texas area.
John
Yeah, and this is not a new invention overall. There’s already been these similar boards down in the Longview and the Tyler region. As a matter of fact, one of our employees, Stacey, down in our Longview area has been on the Adult Protective Services board, community board down there for quite a lot.
Lisa
In our area for some reason there’s been a bit of a drought in being active in raising awareness and procuring resources for those victims of senior fraud and abuse and elder abuse. The month of May is it’s elder abuse awareness month and so I know at the Courthouse last Tuesday in New Boston, Texas the county judge, Judge James Carlow as well as members of that APS court were out there and proclamation was made to raise awareness about elder abuse issues and so the month is starting with the bang as far as it goes.
John
That’s right. We kind of thought maybe we would just talk about it a little bit on the show today. For those of you out who were listening last weekend, we talked about the fact that the prior to last weekend, there had been some storms and the radio station took a hit.
Lisa
Oh, yeah. Probably you remind everybody about that.
John
Took a hit and because of that--
Lisa
You mean John metal towers that protruded to the sky are at risk for being hit by lightning.
John
Sure enough. Sure enough, but apparently, according to our production staff, they let us know that we would not be able to take phone calls last weekend and so we weren’t able to take any phone calls and to be honest, we got them here today and Lisa and I are running the show on ourselves.
Lisa
Yeah. Where’s the production staff?
John
I don’t know where the production staff is, but one thing I do not know is whether or not we can take any phone calls. So, if you call, we will--
Lisa
If we can answer, we will.
John
If we can, we will, but I cannot make any promises that that will actually happen.
Lisa
Yeah, if you call and you don’t get us, we’re not ignoring you. We probably just don’t know you’re calling because something is out with the equipment.
John
Yeah, that’s exactly right. So, anyway, we’re going to be talking about elder abuse and elder abuse can actually come in lots of different forms.
Lisa
It does come in a lot forms and John, I want to talk about some of the different categories because there’s a few of them that are pretty obvious and there’s a few of them that aren’t. So, one of the more obvious categories is straight physical abuse of a person 65 years or older.
John
Sure. Well, and of course, that sounds obvious and I guess, yeah, if you’re hitting somebody—
Lisa
Sure.
John
Yes, but, oftentimes, when we start dealing with the elderly, you can also… with things like dementia and other mental illness what Lisa likes to call brain failure.
Lisa
Yes, it’s brain failure. That’s right. Everybody, we all understand what heart failure is. When we start talking about dementia or common decline, I’d like to kind of call it brain failure because I think people get the concept a lot better than when you just say dementia.
John
That’s right. I’ll make an analogy here. When my parents first moved to San Marcos, Texas and I was a young boy and we moved into this neighborhood and down the street from me was another boy. His name was Blaine and Blaine was a year older than me and Blaine was kind of a wild kid and he liked to ride bicycles. He liked to ride skateboards and he introduced me to the world of bicycles and skateboards.
Lisa
Ramps and all sorts of things.
John
And ramps and trying to jump things and ride through trees and all kinds of stuff and at one point, I mean… of course, when you do that, you get hurt pretty regularly. You’re falling--
Lisa
Yeah, skin some knees, elbows--
John
You’re skinning some knees. You’re hurting yourself on pretty regular basis. Well, when I entered first grade shortly into my time there in the first grade, my parents got called to the school. They were investigating possible abuse of little John Ross. I was so beat up on such a regular basis from the skinning and the bicycle rakes and those things--
Lisa
Yes, the things that our current children do know less about.
John
Yes, right. I was playing outside. This was real activity and not VR activity. No virtual skateboarding. This was real skateboarding. But the thing was… and once it was all explained, it was really no big deal.
Lisa
Luckily.
John
Luckily. Ironically enough, the young man, Blaine… the teacher who have called my parents in to talk about the possible child abuse, she also had a boy my age and shortly after first grade, my friend Blaine moved next door to her.
Lisa
Then all of a sudden the bruising and the--
John
Yeah, and all of a sudden, it was her kid who was getting bruised and scratched. But--
Lisa
Keep up with Blaine.
John
But when you talk about physical abuse, one thing about being elderly is oftentimes you bruise easily.
Lisa
Yeah, you might be taking some medications that cause you to show just a bruise—I mean so medications can make you a lot more susceptible to looking as if you’re a victim of abuse.
John
That’s right and it can be possible for somebody to be hurting themselves, again particularly if you start talking about things like dementia. The thing is that if you’re the outsider and you’re not entirely sure what’s going on but you can look for some of those signs. Just like that teacher, she was airing on the side of being precautions and ultimately, it turns into a funny story 40 something years later. But, had there actually been some danger there to that young little redheaded kid that might have been a lifesaving move on her part. Yeah, you can. Again, physical abuse seems the obvious when you think about it, yeah, somebody’s getting punched or kicked or whatever, but because especially in the elder population, it can be masked by some of these other things just like a rambunctious young boy can get hurt on his own pretty easily so can the elderly, but it still always a good idea to be cautious out there and air on the side of involvement.
Lisa
Right, till we get to the end of today show, John, we’re going to talk about what your responsibilities might would be if you suspect or conscerneded about abuse. But I guess it’s time for us to take our first commercial break. So, we’ll go to break and we’ll come back and still talk about some of these signs to raise awareness of elder abuse.
John
All right, so if we’re off the live feed but we’re still on this live feed.
Lisa
Right, and John, when you’re telling that story, it was reminding me about you had a client whose wife had dementia and she’s very frail and she took maybe anticoagulant drugs--
John
Yeah, a lot of times the heart medicine they can keep you from clotting and things that the blood thinners and so if you also see a lot of times with liver problem where you get a lot bruising easy.
Lisa
Yes, so I remember this husband who was taking care of his wife. She would fall and he would pick her back up and just his grip on her arm or something would often leave a mark if you remember.
John
Yeah, if you can see handprints on somebody that can certainly give you some cause to think that maybe they’re being hurt.
Lisa
As I recall that most of issue that they had to address because they did have a concern person who saw those prints and hand marks and thought it might be something more.
John
Yeah. You just got to be cautious out there and look around and like I said just… I know my parents they told that story several times about how Blaine, the instigator, had ultimately and then moving next to the same teacher and influencing her boy. In fact, the teacher had called at one point and she called my parents separately. This was several years later and she said, “So, I get it now. I understand.” Anyway, actually still friends with Blaine on Facebook.
Lisa
Facebook, there you go.
John
You can keep around your friends for a long time. It’s like kind of a neat thing about some of those technology. You may not use it all the time, but it does do some neat stuff out there. We got about 20 seconds until we comeback from our first commercial break here. Keep talking about the different types of elder abuse. Again, if anybody ever… even if you have comments later, you always put them on there.
John
Welcome back to Aging Insight everybody. This is your host, John Ross here in the studio with Lisa Shoalmire and in our support for elder abuse awareness month and in effort to support some of the stuff that Bowie County has done in setting all of this up along with Texas Adult Protective Services, we thought we do our little radio show today and talk a little bit about this and we were talking about some different types.
Lisa
Right and so we kind of talk about physical abuse which most people… John and in these days with granny cams, you know. Here we are on Facebook where folks can see us live right now. There are granny cams that I have adult children clients who maybe they have hired caregivers for their parents while they’re at work and they’ve set up some granny cams which are just basically hidden cameras that record what’s going on and while we have not had any clients come back with any terrible abuse scenarios. You go to internet and you’ll see--
John
There you can find lots of them out there.
Lisa
… where folks have had granny cams and they realized that a caregiver was physically abusing, so I think hey, technologies are great thing. It’s a great way. If you’re an adult child taking care of your parent and you’re hiring caregivers that you may not really know other than this new journey of hiring caregivers for a parent, granny cams is a great idea.
John
Absolutely and of course along with physical abuse goes with the sexual abuse which is unfortunately quite rampant.
Lisa
Yes, so for the wireless nurse, I guess we’ll go in too much detail but it is an issue and I know many of you might be scratching their heads going, “That is just completely unbelievable.” But the intimate assault of a senior is a thing.
John
Yes and it’s apparently relatively rampant in many cases. You’re often dealing with people who cannot report so much like abuse of a child where children are either cannot vocalize what has happened to them or they’re easily intimidated. You get the same vulnerability in that elderly person which makes them a crime target, a right target for such a thing.
Lisa
One of the things that I had come up in that air because unfortunately John it is so rampant that we have in fact had a client and fairly recently that his wife was in nursing facility and one of the workers at that nursing facility, she had dementia, very advanced, and apparently had abused his wife. Luckily, he did not need a criminal attorney but his wife had… wasn’t able to really communicate and it was actually another worker at the facility that took him aside and explained what happened.
John
Yeah and who had reported it.
Lisa
Right, and who had reported it.
John
So, yeah, it does happen and—so, yeah. Again, you may necessarily think about but it’s out there. Of course, there’s lots of different types and we’re going talk about several and some of the reporting requirements when we come back from our news break. So, stick around. We’ll be right back.
Lisa
Right, couple daughters.
John
Yeah, couple daughters and apparently, there was at least the allegation that he was continuing a sexual relationship with his wife. He said that she appreciated that intimacy and that they still bonded in that way. The kid had the feeling that she lacked the mental capacity to consent to sexual contact and because she could not consent to sexual contact then that was raped.
Lisa
Right, and so used to John long time ago there was laws on the books that says there could be no rape between a husband and a wife.
John
Right.
Lisa
But those laws are gone.
John
They have been gone for a long time.
Lisa
Yes. In this situation, the daughters got medical documentation that their mom could not consent to this type of activity and then they brought it to the district attorney in the county where they lived and the district attorney actually filed raped charges, criminal rape charges against the husband in that case.
John
Yeah. The whole thing was a bit crazy in which you could tell in reading behind all of this that that in large part was this was a very dysfunctional blended family circumstance.
Lisa
Right, well, it appeared that the daughters, their mom had been married to their dad for 40 plus years. Dad died and then mom reconnected with this gentleman at church and they got married and had a wonderful sons, you know, senior marriage until she went into dementia.
John
Yeah, the kids just could not handle the idea of their mother remarrying. They were apparently mad about it from the get-go and then as mom progressed into dementia that really gave them their opportunity to strike back at the new spouse who they thought really bad at.
Lisa
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